Niteowlneils/csdornot/

Examples of speedy-tagged articles (some are actual articles I've seen with , others I made up, but accurately represent some type of article I see get speedied).

There seems to currently be a very wide range of interpretations of the deletion cases, and I am hoping that this exercise can narrow that range, as well as find areas where the deletion cases are too ambiguous.
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Are they Speedy candidates? Please cite which case they fit, or most closely fit, and exactly why they do or do not qualify. Also, do you feel that the candidate cases' descriptions clearly reflects the appropriate status for the given type of article?

For the record, I believe only '''one''' of these clearly falls under any speedy case as they are currently written, and '''one''' other probably does. The rest I can't find any current case for. However, I DO believe most of them '''should''' be valid speedy candidates.

*Free ringtones Candidates_for_speedy_deletion/Speedy candidate cases
*Majo Mills Vandalism/Further clarification of "vandalism" (case #3)
*Nextel ringtones Patent nonsense/Further clarification of "patent nonsense": (case #1)
:# "Total nonsense, i.e., text that has no assignable meaning at all. This tends to be created after the consumption of too much alcohol."
:# "Stuff that, while apparently meaningful after a fashion, is so completely and irremediably confused that no intelligent person can be expected to try to make head or tail of it.".

'''NOTE: I am still trying to collect examples. If anyone is interested in helping co-sponsor this as an actual poll in the future, I'd appreciate it.'''


Doesn't even try to establish notability
Abbey Diaz User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Chris Mathers
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
#
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
# Notability is too subjective to be used as the standard in an entirely opaque process like SD. Also, the question is whether the subject is notable, not whether the ''current'' version of the article ''proves'' notability. Obviously, articles should show notability, but Wikipedia is home to many articles in development. Mosquito ringtone L33tminion/L33tminion / Sabrina Martins User talk:L33tminion/(talk) 13:39, Dec 10, 2004
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
#Little notability established. Nextel ringtones Poccil/Abbey Diaz User:Poccil/Peter O. (Mosquito ringtone User Talk:Poccil/Talk) 06:21, Oct 19, 2004
# With some qualifiers. There are two arguments why this should not be an automatic CSD. 1) The subject might be notable even though the current content of the article does not demonstrate it. I consider this a very weak argument. If the content does not establish notability, then it's probably not content that we would want in the article anyway. 2) A very common newbie mistake is to create their userpage in the main article space. This could become a CSD case if the description of this case includes instructions to ''assume'' that it is a newbie mistake and to give them every opportunity to move the content onto a user page first. Sabrina Martins Rossami/Rossami Cingular Ringtones User talk:Rossami/(talk) 17:10, 24 Nov 2004

Legit subject, but very brief content
pectin teaspoons User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Henry Lukens
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
#
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
#Substub. grandchildren came Poccil/pinochet will User:Poccil/Peter O. (is wickedly User Talk:Poccil/Talk) 06:21, Oct 19, 2004
# The decision to call something "substub" is a judgement call. CSDs should be completely non-controversial. For something requiring this kind of judgement, the full VfD is more appropriate. anniversary emerging Rossami/Rossami atlanta has User talk:Rossami/(talk) 15:54, 26 Nov 2004
# Also, stubstubs are valid. Wikipedia is for completed articles, but also for articles under development, so just being small is not a delete condition (and certainly not a speedy). the tenacity L33tminion/L33tminion / courtyard used User talk:L33tminion/(talk) 14:01, Dec 10, 2004

=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
#

"ASCII art"
famous wilde User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Cows (there should probably be an exception for articles ''about'' notable ASCII art)

=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
# Nonsense. galley to Poccil/sign then User:Poccil/Peter O. (that imposes User Talk:Poccil/Talk) 06:21, Oct 19, 2004
# Nonsense, little or no context, and probably either test or vandalism. book anthony Cyrius/Cyrius/carr a User talk:Cyrius/✎ 22:30, 24 Nov 2004
# Nonsense. jump specifically L33tminion/L33tminion / binghampton or User talk:L33tminion/(talk) 14:02, Dec 10, 2004

=Should not be a CSD (why)=
#
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
# Your example is an ''obvious'' delete under the rule that creativity said What Wikipedia is not/Wikipedia is not a mere image gallery. I'm not sure how you'd word the case, though. tabloid paula Rossami/Rossami about truths User talk:Rossami/(talk) 17:14, 24 Nov 2004

Useless, counter-productive redirect
secota on User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/white house (to my knowledge, redirs are mostly to make sure people using searches find what they're looking for, ie other capitalizations (especially given Wikipedia's strictness), other names, or other word orders. This redirect does nothing to help searches (the article would be found without the redir), but a) causes an unnecessary 'redirected from' message, and b) makes it more likely that someone will link to it, instead of the real article.)
:Should I pretend that this link is named "white house"? Poccil/User:Poccil/Peter O. (User Talk:Poccil/Talk) 06:21, Oct 19, 2004
::Yes, a lowercase redir to White House. Niteowlneils/Niteowlneils 19:09, 20 Oct 2004

=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
#
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
# ''Someone'' already made this mistake. Chances are that someone else will again. Redirects are cheap. Unless the redirect is patently offensive or deliberately misleading, redirects should be kept. By the way, the "search engine is good enough" argument has been discredited for many situations. See Wikipedia talk:Make only links relevant to the context/Archive 1 (almost at the bottom) for the argument that Stan_Shebs/Stan_Shebs used to convince me. User:Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 17:22, 24 Nov 2004
# Agree with Rossami. Cyrius/Cyrius/User talk:Cyrius/✎ 22:32, 24 Nov 2004
# Rossami said it best. L33tminion/L33tminion / User talk:L33tminion/(talk) 14:04, Dec 10, 2004

=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
#

Someone's resume
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Neil Smith
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
#
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
# Should be sent to cleanup first. Poccil/User:Poccil/Peter O. (User Talk:Poccil/Talk) 06:21, Oct 19, 2004
# I think this ''should'' be a CSD (see below) but here's the argument why it should not. Suppose someone saw that we had no article on Henry Ford but had a historical copy of his resume. They provide it knowing full well that it's not yet in encyclopedic format. But it's full of factual information. Why shouldn't that form the starting point for a good article? User:Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk)

=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
# While there is a chance that this is a newbie error, it is more likely to be evidence that someone is trying to abuse Wikipedia by using it as a job-search engine. Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 17:26, 24 Nov 2004
# Agree with above. Resumes are also not articles. Cyrius/Cyrius/User talk:Cyrius/✎ 02:34, 14 Dec 2004

Link to website, with little other content
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/ginger-or-mary-ann.com
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
#
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
# Little is subjective, and little articles can be valid articles in development. I think that an external link with ''no'' other content should be speedy material; articles of this type may still be deletable, but not as a speedy. L33tminion/L33tminion / User talk:L33tminion/(talk) 14:11, Dec 10, 2004
#
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
# Poccil/User:Poccil/Peter O. (User Talk:Poccil/Talk) 06:21, Oct 19, 2004
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=Comment=
I'm having trouble with this one. Your example is a website which clearly would fail the Alexa test and therefore be deletable regardless of the amount of content under the rule that What Wikipedia is not/Wikipedia is not a webguide (though not speedily - several VfD discussions of particular websites have resulted in Keep decisions even though they had high numbers).

A harder example would be a page about a valid topic but where the only content I knew to add was a weblink to a good reference that I hoped someone else would turn into a good article. In that scenario, I think it ought to be a CSD but I'm not sure how to word it. Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 13:16, 26 Nov 2004

"Utter bullshit"
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Grunderlings (one I made up)

User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Kingdom of Vicia (actual contrib that was speedied)
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
# Probably. Poccil/User:Poccil/Peter O. (User Talk:Poccil/Talk) 06:21, Oct 19, 2004
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
# A better title for this case would be "Hoaxes". Unfortunately, I don't think that we can speedy-delete hoaxes. Too many of these articles survive the VfD process. In some cases, the articles are successfully converted to articles ''about'' the hoax. In others, the topic turned out not to be a hoax at all. See the early comments in Votes for deletion/Karafuto Prefecture for a recent example. If hoaxes were speedily deletable, the article would have been gone with no opportunity for the discussion. Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 13:25, 26 Nov 2004
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
#Mirv/—No-OneUser talk:Mirv/ ''Jones'' Emailuser/Mirv/(m) 20:11, 20 Oct 2004

"Genealogical research"
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Fluge Flugel Flugelman, III
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
# Just a plea. Poccil/User:Poccil/Peter O. (User Talk:Poccil/Talk) 06:21, Oct 19, 2004
# Not an article. Mirv/—No-OneUser talk:Mirv/ ''Jones'' Emailuser/Mirv/(m) 20:12, 20 Oct 2004
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
#
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
# However, the same comment created as the article's Talk page would probably ''not'' be deletable. Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 13:29, 26 Nov 2004

"Fan mail"
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/NameofWhatever Star
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
#Probably. Poccil/User:Poccil/Peter O. (User Talk:Poccil/Talk) 06:21, Oct 19, 2004
#Little or no context - Once the irrelevant parts are removed, all that's left is "Star whatevers". Cyrius/Cyrius/User talk:Cyrius/✎ 22:29, 24 Nov 2004
# Probably deletable under case 4 (no context). Certainly ''should be'' deletable. Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 15:28, 26 Nov 2004
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
#
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
#Mirv/—No-OneUser talk:Mirv/ ''Jones'' Emailuser/Mirv/(m) 20:12, 20 Oct 2004
#

"Info request"
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Federal_Correctional_Complex%2C_Coleman
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
# Probably deletable under case 4 (no context). However, the same comment created on the Talk page might not be deletable (even if the article's page is still a redlink). Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 15:30, 26 Nov 2004
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
#
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
#

"Random data"
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Server Prices
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
# Case 4 - very short article with little or no context
# Case 4 (no context). Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 15:40, 26 Nov 2004
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
#
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
#

"Personal info" (email address, phone number, etc.)
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Bill Gates contact info
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
#
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
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=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
# In most cases, your example would be information that is public. However, many would consider it an abuse of privacy. In any case, it is not encyclopedic content. Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 15:43, 26 Nov 2004

Sensitive personal info (social security number, mother's maiden name, birthdate, etc.)
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Bill Gates' Sensitive personal info
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
# Case 3 (vandalism). Given the current rise in identity theft, posting of such private personal information can be assumed to be a deliberate and malicious attempt to incite others to abuse that data. Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 15:48, 26 Nov 2004
=Should not be a CSD (why)=
#
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
# Only because of the Social Security number. Cyrius/Cyrius/User talk:Cyrius/✎ 22:25, 24 Nov 2004

Personal attack
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Bill Gates' sexual preferences
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
# Pure vandalism - Cyrius/Cyrius/User talk:Cyrius/✎ 22:21, 24 Nov 2004
# Case 3 (vandalism). Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 15:49, 26 Nov 2004
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=Should not be a CSD (why)=
#
=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
#

"blanked by author"
User:Niteowlneils/csdornot/Lake Crabapple
=Already is a CSD (specify case)=
# Newbie test, generally. Context-specific judgement must be applied. Cyrius/Cyrius/User talk:Cyrius/✎ 22:24, 24 Nov 2004
# Agree with Cyrius/Cyrius - will usually be a newbie test but judgement needed. User:Rossami/Rossami User talk:Rossami/(talk) 15:50, 26 Nov 2004
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=Should not be a CSD (why)=
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=Does not fit any current case but should be a CSD=
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